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  • Again, the argument I’m trying to make is that, by the time one can settle Mars without supplies from Earth

    Well, that’s not exactly the goal. No nation is really self-sufficient in modern society. Everyone engages in trade. So the question is really, when will a space colony become profitable or maintainable? And that’s trickier to answer, because it isn’t “not for hundreds of years”, but it also isn’t now, it’s somewhere in between.

    Cheaper access to space would change the equation immensely. Being cheaper to resupply would mean the colony wouldn’t have to be as profitable to be sustainable. In-situ resource utilisation (using water found off of earth for drinking, oxygen and fuel) will also make an enormous difference as it would reduce the amount of supplies needed from earth. (This is incidentally one of the main goals of NASA’s Artemis program, to figure out how to utilize water resources on the moon)

    It was the same situation when Europeans settled the Americas, at first it was just a money suck. Entire colonies were lost, lots of people died, they weren’t really prepared. But then they started to figure out what crops worked there, how to survive harsh winters, etc. Once they figured out how to make the most of this new land, they thrived. Unfortunately, the way they treated the locals was pretty horrific. Fortunately, we’re pretty certain there aren’t any locals on the moon or Mars.

    Truth be told, I think a Mars colony won’t happen for quite some time, but I believe a moon colony will certainly happen before 2100. And if we’re lucky, maybe since orbital colonies. That’s where the future really lies, orbital colonies.




  • Oh my God… In that whole post, you’ve said absolutely nothing of substance! That was astonishing! I mean, actually impressive in a way…

    In my post I had essentially only asked one question (and that question was “what are you actually suggesting?”) and you managed to not even address it. Instead, you went on a meandering tangent about Dr Strangelove. You continue to make assertions about military doctrine, that actual decisions about actual, tangible weapons are incorrect, but instead of explaining how they were incorrect or suggesting what specific alternative choices should have been made, you instead talk about vague philosophical misunderstandings… That’s bullshit.

    Honestly, as useless as it is, I feel like I have to ask at this point, are you an LLM? (I can’t really expect any useful response to this whether you are an LLM or not, but it still feels right to ask)



  • To be able to force a surrender, you’re asking this drone to do a whole lot…

    It needs to be large enough to carry tank killing munitions, and it needs to be either fast, tough or stealthy enough to survive to make it into close range, then it also needs an antipersonnel weapon to prevent it from simply being shot down once it’s in close range, and finally it needs loud speakers that can be used to actually make surrender orders. (Adding speakers may sound trivial, but it’s an additional system that draws power and adds weight and volume, both of which are at a premium with aircraft of any kind). Oh, it also needs to be able to sustain a very long flight time, because it needs to hover there in place until troops arrive to escort the captured soldiers… (Which could take a while in a warzone)

    At this point, you’re talking about a $20 million drone that requires at least two people to operate.

    And forget warships, you can’t force a warship to surrender with a drone any more than you can with a missile.


  • So again, to be clear, is your argument that the US should be using lower cost off-the-shelf or lower tech weapons? Presumably, with the ability to field more of these much lower cost weapons for superior ultimate effectiveness?

    I mean, the example you have with the f-16 vs f-35, is a bit of a false dichotomy. The f-35 isn’t intended to totally replace the f-16. The two planes have a different set of capabilities and can be used in different ways. Ideally, they should be used in tandem, with the 35’s stealth, superior electronics, and sensor suite, it can fly deeper into contested territory and designate targets for other planes to safely engage from further away. So maximizing the value of weapons like the f-35 is in fact dependent on combining them with other (usually much cheaper) weapons already on the field. But when done this way, adding just a few of these new top of the line planes can increase the effectiveness of entire fighter groups.

    All that is to say, the f-35 is in fact a bit of a complicated case to use as an example.

    Also, this is sort of how the entire US military is designed to work, with each element making other elements around it more effective. For example an aircraft carrier alone is extremely vulnerable, so it has a whole “carrier group” with destroyers, cruisers, and subs all supporting each other against different threats. As a group each part is more powerful that it would have been alone.

    I brought all that up to point out that providing “X” weapon to a foreign nation is always likely to be an inefficient use of that weapon. By providing just one specific weapon, it makes it likely that those forces won’t have all the supporting tools to make it most effective.


  • The tech you’d need to make living on Mars independent of Earth, like consciousness uploading, self sufficient friendly AI, extensive human/plant bioengineering, terraforming… Well, they’re better at solving our problems on Earth anyway.

    That sounds like an argument for a Mars colony, not against it.

    Not that I think continuousness uploading or AI have anything to do with a Mars colony… Even terraforming is totally unnecessary.

    Honestly, I don’t think Mars is a great candidate for a space colony, though probably not for the same reasons you’re thinking. But I think it is in fact vital that we start colonizing space soon, and I think the technologies developed in pursuit of that goal will absolutely aid us here on earth.