So deserved
i love femcels, they just dont love me
Its the working class vs the 1%, not gender vs gender.
I think it would be great to have an app that warns women about dangerous men. I don’t think it’s possible for that to exist though, it will ALWAYS be filled up by bitter people making things up so their ex has a harder time dating.
I don’t like this app. I don’t like the idea of this app. I think the whole thing was misguided.
But let me tell you of a time when I was younger and more festively slutty, I had a few encounters that might have made me a user. Not all men, no, but after the third time a dude threatens to rape you in a park, you start to wonder if you could be doing more to protect yourself.
Remember, ladies, these days you can print your own handguns and make them look like whatever you want.
I’m going to use “festively slutty” in my introductions from now on
Holy crap, I never thought about that. That’s a whole different take on an assassin’s teapot.
I forgot about poison. Everyone should know it’s super easy to make poison. Toad venom is so big right now I bet that’s easy to get, too.
I mean poison is cool AF, but turning the teapot into a gun, with a trigger in the handle.
Wait is that an assassins teapot?
BLAM
Yes, why yes it is.
I’d suggest just buying a small frame pistol. Printing your own and making it work reliably takes a level of know-how and effort.
Luckily everyone everywhere in the world has the opportunity to buy guns and munition at their nearest supermarket.
Pepper spray, tazer, knife, air horn, whatever the hell is legal where you live. Any of that is better for self defense than a printed gun.
I’d suggest 3D printing for affordability and because shooting and maintaining a gun already takes a level of know-how and effort.
Maintaining a gun involves knowing how to take the slide off and scrub it with a brush. 3d printing one involves knowing how they work, not to mention having access to a printer, files, then buying a kit because you still need metal internals if you don’t want it to explode in your hand. Vice did a video on printed guns.
TL;DW: a reporter got someone experienced in printing guns to help him build and test the gun over weeks and it still malfunctioned on competition day. If you want reliable self defense, buy it. Even a hi point is preferable to a printed gun, and honestly it’s probably cheaper too.
I get CC’d on Crown reports on 3D printed guns. But I’m so glad you shared this thing from Vice.
I think our disagreement might be more cultural than technology based, though, since I’m not American and gun laws are much different where I live. And it was… sort of a joke. Obviously, where I live having an unregistered firearm carries a lot of risk that outweighs the benefit.
There’s a big difference between being a safe/competent shooter and being a gunsmith.
3d printing a firearm you’re planning to bet your life on is a big ask for someone who isn’t already a gun owner.
Also, if you’re buying a glock slide and parts kit to put in your plastic gat, you aren’t really saving much money.
A glock can be had for nearly $300 on sale sometimes.
Kits are about $30-100, the files are free and materials are cheap. Ammo is another matter, but plastic darts are a thing.
But to the point, it was more of a hyperbole than advocating women start carrying unregistered firearms, so I’m exploring the hypothetical rather than arguing in favor of it.
Where I live getting a gun is a lot more difficult, and a license to conceal and carry a loaded weapon even more so. Hypothetically speaking, it is faster, easier and cheaper to make a 3D printed handgun if you know what you’re doing. Given their prevalence here, it doesn’t seem all that difficult for a lot of people. I’m not saying it’s without risk.
Slightly different motivations in play. For a start, how can they be femcels if the whole premise of the app is to screen men for the purposes of safe dating? Secondly, screening men so you don’t get abused is not even in the same country, let alone ballpark, as doxxing people on 4chan because you’re an antifeminist incel, an actual incel, who wants to score points with other worthless societal lip crust.
Was it a perfect app and did everyone on it comport themselves impeccably? Of course not, but you’d be an obtuse bad faith dickhead to demand otherwise. It’s just the case that these are the kinds of lengths women have to go to to protect themselves.
And let’s be clear, men do the same shit. Men talk about their bad dates with psycho women and warn each other about them, and they share nudes and other private stuff that the women didn’t intend to be shared amongst the man’s friend group. We don’t need an app with photographic evidence and licence plates and addresses because the abuse men face is usually not being raped or beaten to a pulp. But if you’re a pickup artist or a virulent incel, you’ll probably have a database of women you’ve compiled for reasons other than your own safety. Stop pretending that the stresses of relationships that men and women face are equivalent.
That app is an emergent property of decades of men’s grotesque behaviour. Technology has now put some power into the hands of women so that they can quickly and efficiently share info with each other, and you expect them to wave away that power and just let RNG dictate whether they have a normal date or a survival horror video game.
Fuck 4chan, fuck incels, the end.
The app is illegal in the entire EU due to obvious gross privacy invasions. That should tell you everything you need to know about how morally justified it is.
Well legal or not, in the EU there are Facebook groups like this for every city. So it seems to be a need for women to ensure their safety. Don’t understand what’s so controversial about that… it’s like cancel culture: when there are no legal repercussions to misbehaving stuff like this happens.
You understand why doxxing people is wrong.
I’m gonna make up a bunch of stuff from anecdotes and pre conceived opinions
People like you are exactly the reason why someone thought to make this app, if you ever went out of your parents basement.
Don’t bother. Lemmy is one of the most sexists sites on the Internet. Legitimately up there with 4chan.
Not yet but not for a lack of effort from some of these dorks.
Wonder why they’re also typically defensive about their 4chan usage?
They all legitimately believe they’re the one 4chan user who isn’t a bigot.
This is what I think every time I see these stupid posts. Thank you for putting it into words.
How is it always 4chan. Is the anime shit posting board really where peak tech literate internet users congregate.
Different boards on the site have different people. Some boards are somewhat maladjusted nerds with poor social skills like /tg/ others are more technical and home to the unhinged users
And some are full of crazy people. Don’t forget the crazy people
You don’t need to be a peak tech literate person to have been able to accomplish this.
The level of neglect of security that was involved when creating that app should really be criminal. Door was left wide open for anyone to walk in a take a peek
yeah, this is neglect bordering on incompetence. at the very least Tea should be suing the fuck out of their half assed vendors.
You’d have to be in the top percentile. There’s definitely less than 1% of the population scouring open cloud dumps for cool little treasures. I’m pretty sure less than 1% of people would even know where to begin doing something like that. Part of the issue of Lemmy is that I think people frequently grossly overestimate the tech literacy of the average person.
This moment when you have seen certain xkcds enough times, that you know wi ch one its going to be without even having to take a look at it.
They really do. I’m quite tech savvy compared to the average and most of what people hand wave as easy around here is way beyond me.
I wish you weren’t right, but the other day my brother asked me how to open a zip file. He’s 20.
Its just his first day. We all uncompressed a file for the first time at some point.
No, it’s one of the few clearnet sites that still allow anonymous posts without email or anything. Just CAPTCHA. Everything is deleted after a while, so moderation is barely necessary. Many search engines don’t even index it. It’s a quick way of reporting something interesting anonymously.
Fuck their CAPTCHA by the way. Entire reason I never stayed in the internet’s basement.
so moderation is barely necessary
Heh, no. If the mods took a break for a day the site would be overrun with illegal shit by noon.
It sucks that personal data is exploited and accessed, but a great thing it was discovered and called out. I wish it was disclosed responsibly though
Usually I would agree, but as it happened to a bunch people who were doxxing thousands of men, I find it kind of hilarious and a peak karma moment!
Source of doxxing claims?
Are you stupid or just lazy? This app is full of extremely private date about men. Pictures, Phone numbers, social media, home addresses, mental health history, etc.
Doxing is the entire purpose of this app!
I don’t know, I haven’t been on it. I suspect neither have you.
Tbh, if you use the dox 3000 app, you have to expect them not valuing your privacy.
“But I thought I was the one doing the doxxing!”
my doxxing is the only moral doxxing
people uploading puctures of others without their permission getting mad that their pic was uploaded without their permission.
but like, identification like drivers licenses is too far imo.
Current Status: Finding Out.
IIRC it’s the app they uploaded the pictures to that had them publicly accessible
Not even an app, it is/was a storage service in Google Cloud that was set up to be public without authentication or without any other security features enabled.
To each other. For safety. On the premise that not all men are creepy rapey shit heads, most of that is done by just a few predatory assholes, and you can just cut out the bad ones.
Which, lol.
Edit: next time you want a woman to not assume you’re a creep, ask how she’d know. This isn’t the solution id choose, but it was a solution. Ask if you’re really worth rolling a 6 sided dice every time youre alone with a guy, abd on a 2 or a 3 being treated so disgustingly you need a shower, on a 1 being raped or murdered. I’m sorry, but you aren’t worth that.
How else would someone know you are a creep? the only way is to doxx them. Its the only way, there is no other way.
Sex offender registry.
Surveillance by default never acceptable, not for “protection” of children, not for “protection” of women.
The women who go on there clearly do it not out of spite for men but because the system is clearly not sufficiently ensuring their safety. I’m not saying it’s a good solution but idk why the internet is so enthusiastic about women who likely had bad experiences (including r*pe) being doxxed and calling it karma…
Not say sex offender registry is enough, only that other way and already exist. Need someone get rape, then report to police and win trial until in registry (if i understand correct). Far too high bar, much mental health required, need talk about what happen, not easy.
People who doxx getting doxx is ironic.
Lemmy at least has a misogyny problem and is openly hostile to women. I don’t know how common that is to the Internet itself these days but it doesn’t seem like a good sign, even once you accept that Lemmy specifically recruited Redditors.
This case is odd. It’s not some authority; it’s a comnunity sharing information for theur own protection, a formalized gossip network of threat identification.
Not a perfect solution, not how I’d hanfle it, but the alternative is just assuming every man is a piece of shit.
Edit: which i assume most of you want to hide.
but the alternative is just assuming every man is a piece of shit.
If bad experience so common that community exist, maybe that not bad solution. Always take second person to date, always take self defense thing, etc.
Men not known as creep before date by someone in community or maybe friend. Always take precaution could protect against creep even if unknown man.
I just dont date men, don’t smile around men unless it’s mean or im wearing a mask, don’t compliment men even on innocuous things unless they’re like half my age or younger, and yeah, i think about exits a lot.
This is a superior solution, because it actially works and does not make me a target for that garbage gender’s bullshit.
This sarcasm? Kind of sound like sarcasm, but remind me of many women i know.
Doxx them by publishing drivers licenses with legal name, address, and DOB to the whole internet.
Or by linking to their public tinder or Facebook profile and saying I had X bad experience, fair warning to anyone dating person, to a small userbase.
If you think that’s the same then you need a reality check.
What’s your solution to IDing creeps?
They weren’t doxxing you holy fuck men are fragile.
This was all new to me a few moments ago. After some reading, I found an interesting article:
Sorry if it doesn’t quite fit the sub or the meme. I just found it helpful and at least tangentially relevant to a broader understanding of these phenomena.
Honestly, if I stumbled across open/vulnerable data like that I wouldn’t know where else to post that anonymously. 🤷♂️
4chan wouldnt be it. Maybe breachfourms om the darkweb.
Then you can go on the clear web and pretend to be a random user who happened to see the post and then post that somewhere.
Why? Nothing the user that accessed this did was illegal. Like here’s an open s3 bucket… Can’t prosecute me for that.
Security through obscurity has unfortunately been a successful argument in the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz for a specific example. While he committed suicide before it was resolved it does show the kind of hammer that can be brought down from accessing public info
This one wasnt about conditions or acys though.
Swartz actually had legal ‘legitimate’ access to that publically funded data.
He was being attacked for exposing the law to the people, they saw it lije like translating the bible out of latin, but even more devastating to power.
Yea, that was some copyright bullshit.
yeah but why even give them the chance to try
IMO the thing to do hypothetically is email and CC the news desks of the most legitimate newspapers you can think of with a link to the data.
They will all run the story because if one of them will and the rest dont want to miss the train and they will all reach out to the company asking for comment after they document and verify that the data was publicly available.
Emphasis on anonymously.
I mean how anonymous you need to be depends entirely on how legal the method you found the data is.
Not really. I’ve heard stories about people getting sued after finding vulnerabilities. Of course the cases would get thrown out, but that’s assuming you can eat the mountains of legal fees it’ll take to actually get to a judge.
Yep which is why you involve serious investigative journalists (what few are left). Not as good as going through a lawyer but they do have a tendency to protect their sources.
Burner email. Wikileaks. Whistleblower program. Many such thing.
This wont do anything. oh no, a news story from some also corrupt org. Oh No! a data breach! can I offer you one month of identity monitoring in this trying time?
I’m just upset that tea users don’t allow men to access their data. I guess you’re out of luck if you’re bi
It’s also bordering on cyberstalking/cyberbullying, depending on the context. Following a few suicides, some areas have pretty strict laws about that kind of stuff. It’s also a massive GDPR problem if any European guys were listed on the app, but couldn’t access it to remove their own data.
tea users don’t want men to access their data but tea admins did nothing to stop it
what happened?
just terrible people being awful to terrible people.
Some of these women were using it to slander individual men, therefore all the women using it to warm other women about rapists and abusers are awful and just as bad as 4chan incels.
So, the usual?
