Windows: would you like to
collect your datapersonalize your system?Options are: Yes, or Ask In 3 days
Where’s the fuck off option M$ ?
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Sometimes yes and sometimes no dude
Idk how it’s working for you guys, but I’ve not once had it actually shut down after clicking update and shut down. It always restarts myb once or twice and finishes at the lock screen, it just doesn’t shut down. I always have to manually turn it off after it finishes.
I’ve found that if I click “update and shutdown” and hold the power button it shuts down, the update process is even quicker this way /S
But for real, I’ve been doing this for almost a year now I. Will. Not. Wait. I am going home now
Yep my work laptop is win11, this happens every time. I just wait till the end of the day, click update and shut down, let the dog out and then give her breakfast (I work nights) then go back and shut down from lock screen.
Meanwhile on my Linux laptop, “downloading critical system files” SUDO shut down, “whatever you say boss” and 10 seconds later it’s off.
I think it depends from the motherboard. My 8th gen Intel Lenovo always update and reboot (and get to the lock screen) when I say update and shutdown while a gigabyte 6th gen Intel always update and shutdown (one reboot during the update install)
And if you dual boot and have Linux set as main, “update and shutdown” means “reboot to Linux”
Dunno what to tell you, man. Update and shut down always works perfectly for me. It updates, restarts to finish the update, then shuts down. Works every time.
The only thing I can think of is that you’re being impatient and manually shutting he machine down after the restart, instead just letting the OS do its thing.
I’m most definitely not interrupting it, I can go away, do something else, and it will still be on the lock screen after rebooting. I’d then have to click on shut down again.
Windows is so full of stupid little shit that should have been fixed years - if not decades - ago. Sleep mode broken, folder customize options don’t apply to subfolders despite offering that choice, the OP. Sigh.
Microsoft should be responsible for when I close my laptop and then it starts a fucking fire in my backpack. that shit should have been fixed YEARS ago.
Set it to hibernate when you close the lid. It’s a full shutdown so the sleep timers don’t run, but the ram contents are kept, so it’s only slightly slower than starting from sleep.
That should be the default, but OEMs are weird.
I switched to Linux and haven’t had a problem since
Just came to leave an image of a cute cartoon penguin, don’t mind me.
But club penguin shut down 8 years ago
Windows update fucked up my dual boot. It managed to somehow through a RAM error from the BIOS on every boot. Fuck Windows. I don’t want updates which I don’t even notice.
Might as well add regular “shutdown” as an “option” too
Update and Shutdown -> go and make tea -> Linux lock screen -> 😐
Windows really dosn’t want to be on my system.
Well, that’s a first. The usual way is for Windows to break the Linux install every time it does anything.
Somehow I learned how to install my systems without windows doing that.
I’m guessing you have different drives, instead of using partitions. Windows only breaks bootloaders when it’s sharing a drive.
Nope.
- Install windows on clean disk
- Install Linux with custom partitions
Add 3 new partitions (/boot, /, swap) - Enable os-prober for grub
- Set grub as boot in BIOS
Never had problem with windows nuking the bootloader. It never knows it exists.
- Windows update intentionally bricks GRUB.
- Delete Windows.
Then you should obey its wishes.
Every time! Then the next time you boot windows for some reason, it will finish the updates and then fucking shuts down.
Well, it is at least in part how many linux distros configure Grub, it can be set up to boot the last selected OS, which I think should be the default… I changed it on all of my dual boot systems, though I haven’t been using Windows all that much lately, so it hasn’t been all that big of a deal for me.
I just wish that Windows hadn’t changed the default update config to restart no matter which option is selected, since it makes that situation soooo much more annoying.
buttons that don’t work? buttons that do nothing? butrons that lie?? (rhetoric)
Lucky you
turn off and touch gass
I’m amazed at how after 50 years, over 100,000 top-tier software engineers, and $3,500,000,000,000, Microsoft are still so bad at making operating systems.
It’s almost as if Capitalist rhetoric about innovation is bullshit.
It’s not just me?! I thought my PC was buggered
I wanted to make this meme for the nth time my Lenovo rebooted (and left at the login screen) when I chose update and shutdown
Unpopular opinion: The most-used operating system in the world must automatically apply security updates, eventually even overriding user preference if people never restart.
Right now it’s Windows. If someday it’s Ubuntu, they should do it too. If they don’t, we’d see giant botnets of every computer that people don’t want to update, all compromised by exploits.
To be clear, this doesn’t excuse MS for abusing this update cycle to push shitty products or AI features.
The meme isn’t complaining about auto-updates. The meme is complaining that “Update and Shutdown” doesn’t actually turn off the PC when it’s done updating.
Ohhh, I didn’t even realize that was a thing. Makes more sense now. I should probably shut down my PC more often…
for me, a good test of whether i own something or not is to see if your device forces you to update. I’m sure 90% people using computers understand the security implications of not updating and not rebooting, they just have work they need to do now and rebooting the computer would make it go away.
we really need to stop babying users. If they fuck their own system up, it’s on them. give them warnings, sure. Give them heads up. but don’t take it into your own hands to protect someone who doesn’t want protecting.
I think you have far too much faith in the average user. The average user just uses their computer for email, social media, and YouTube. The average user panics when their Google Chrome shortcut disappears from their desktop, because they don’t know how to open it otherwise. The average user doesn’t even know what a botnet is, or why updating would help prevent them.
And the bigger problem is that a compromised device doesn’t only affect the compromised device. It can potentially spread to other devices on a network, steal info from anyone who interacts with the user, or become part of a botnet which is used in attacks elsewhere. Forcing the average user to update is like requiring vaccinations. We do it because it helps protect everyone; not just the one person who was inoculated.
If users cared about security or privacy, even in the slightest, they’d be using Linux. That’s the other few percent. Ubuntu Livepatch solves any problem from automatic updates, I think Linux will eventually support this and then automatic updates by default. But on Windows? Not a chance.
You cannot live patch everything and also linux doesn’t run everything
I mean, it’s the same situation as vaccine mandates. You’re hoping that it’s a perfect system of karma that reflects upon the user, but it’s not. Someone practices bad security or bad personal health, and it might not necessarily be them that suffers the most. (Botnet victims come in wide varieties)
I think owning your own device is a great ideology and I want to promote it however possible; I just don’t feel comfortable pushing that over general worldwide computer safety.
Then where do you draw the line?
I’m sure 90% people using computers understand the security implications of not updating and not rebooting,
Deranged. 9% is probably higher than reality. 0.9% maybe.
Also you’re responding to a comment about widespread collective damage as though only a few individuals would be hurt.
Every single yearly security training at work talks about keeping devices up to date. We get quizzed on it. Every place i’ve been at has talked about keeping your device up to date. I’m talking since school up to my degree at university (~10 years).
if at this point people don’t know that you should update, it’s on them for being ignorant about it or on them for not doing so.
Story time. I used to work for an IT service for businesses. We also offered such basic security trainings (how to not get fished by mails, keeping workstations up to date, do not insert USB drives some stranger handed you, that stuff). We had one customer, big company, several branches all over the country, even some abroad. They booked our training once a year for each branch office in our local region, six offices and a couple dozen office workers attending each time.
We had to automate reboots. First, you get an information there’s a necessary update pending that needed a reboot. You could push that reboot a week down, then it got enforced. We had several tickets each month about that. We also had to restore systems twice in the two and a half years I worked there from backups due to ransomware, and other, mostly minor security incidents about once a month.firstly, you’re assuming everyone works in an office.
then, that those lessons stick.
then, that malware only affects those who essentially opt into it.
All of these are beyond-stupid assumptions.
PS. not one security training I’ve had did more than just mention in passing updating your device, if even that. Because guess what, IT departments don’t give a choice. They manage that and force-install updates.
Your other weak-ass assumption is that work lessons (if even applied at work) also come home.
Yeah dude, you’re just wrong in your thinking. Top to bottom.
maybe this is a xkcd 2501 moment and if it is, it makes me feel very depressed that people can be this stupid
just looked that # up. Yes, it is. People are very stupid, but in this case it’s more of 1) a case of needing to know. many people do not need to know how to maintain a computer; many don’t even own a desktop these days and other systems do many auto-updates. and 2) again, these bad practices affect other people who do properly update their machine. We don’t live in a vacuum.
Has that ever helped with massive Windows botnets?
Oh no, grandma’s Windows box she lets your weird cousin use is sending out shady Russian personals hookup spam again! 💀
Switch your (grand)parents to Linux Mint today!
I’m using windows. Istg every update I get fucks something up. and no matter how hard I try to disable windows updates, even forcibly, they keep coming back
holds the power button
Next boot: Updating…
First thing in the morning and now you’ve missed your own meeting.
So literally no downside.
Oh no, guess we will have to circle back(they were always going to circle back regardless of attendance)
Why the hell does my PC turn itself on from hibernate when there is an update pending? Fuck you windows.
Going to switch to Linux as soon as I stop being lazy… any day now.
Today could be the day! I bet 90% of Lemmy would at least try to help.
It really is an issue of laziness. I dont want to have to re-mod New Vegas.
I’ve never done it, but I assume Vortex Mod Manager can make a mod list for you that you can export.
Word of warning though, there aren’t any good native Linux mod managers yet, though nexus is working on one. It’s possible to get Vortex to work, but it does take some effort. I don’t think there’s anything online on how to make it work (last I searched people just said it wouldn’t), but it can work. Message me if you need some help with that.
Appreciate the offer. I followed some mod guide, that involved a TON of steps beyond just a mod manager. Goal was to modernize the game a little while keeping the content vanilla. Im assuming because it is such an old game lots of steps were required. It’s been a while since I did it.
There are no linnux mod managers in general?
Not for most games. Usually modding is just putting the files in the right folder, so it isn’t a big deal and you don’t need a manager, but it is good when you have 100+ mods.
Again though, Vortex is usable with WINE, just not ideal. For anyone curious, you need to install it into the prefix with the game and, IIRC, create a virtual link to the mod directory, or something like that. It’s been a while since I’ve done it. It’s not that difficult but, from my experience, you should expect to have a warning or two that you just have to ignore.
This is the new app that will be replacing Vortex, and it works on all platforms natively. It only officially supports a handful of games though, like Stardew Valley and Cyberpunk, for now.
At least after we battled over which distro is best.
Fair point.
Or some BSD?
For beginners?
I find the installer pretty intuitive; Also: RTFM.
On a more serious note: I’d recommend a beginner Linux Mint
I just did the switch last night! I don’t regret it yet and doubt I will. You should give it a shot.
Because you have configured it to install updates when you are not using your PC and windows is leveraging a system wake timer. If Linux was configured to do the same it would be no different.
So, I have every conceivable setting off for automatically installing updates. It won’t let me not do it.
I don’t know about others, but I’ve tried and failed to stop my pc waking from sleep.
At some point, it just stops providing wake reason codes. It just wakes up. The system doesn’t know or tell why.
Hibernation has never failed me, at least.Try running this in Powershell, after running this it should only wake from either a wake timer and maybe wake on lan.
powershell -Command “powercfg /devicequery wake_armed | ForEach{ powercfg /devicedisablewake $_ }”
I have a win10 box in a rack under the side part of my desk. I use it super sporadically. I spent a couple minutes turning off the normal culprits but it still turns on randomly. Sometimes by the next morning, sometimes a week later. No rhyme or reason to it. I couldn’t be bothered to figure out what new stupidity MS put in to boot it. It’s plugged into a rack mount power strip at the top of the rack…I just unplug it now.
You can configure it. Whats worse, my current PC actually allows every device to wake up my PC. My old PC didn’t allowed it and only allowed the power button and WoL. You can turn it off for each device (there is no bulk option, thanks MS), but when you plug in a new device… Recently I forgot to unplug my mouse from charging and my PC started right away.
I have no problem that there is this option. Might be handy in the right situation. I have a problem that you can’t configure it easily. But I guess hibernation is something that Devs forget these days. I have a few programs that don’t play along nicely.
Here’s a one liner that disables wake on all devices in your PC.
powershell -Command “powercfg /devicequery wake_armed | ForEach{ powercfg /devicedisablewake $_ }”
Doesn’t work
Invalid parameter --. I have zero clue where it gets the--. But the issue would be new devices or other ports. I did this manually once, needed to unplug my PC and needed to do this once again. At least there seems to be an option doing this in bulk but it’s not optimal.
